Don’t go there? Standups on Weinstein, taboos- and the gags they regret

Is it ever OK for comedians to joke about sexual assault? Is there such a thing as too soon? Margaret Cho, Doug Stanhope, David Cross and other fearless comics on the fine line between funny and offensive

Last month, as accusations against Harvey Weinstein began to deluge in, James Corden stepped on stage at a black-tie event in Los Angeles and joked about the movie producer’s alleged sexual assaults.” It’s a beautiful night here in LA ,” he said.” So beautiful, Harvey Weinstein has already asked tonight up to his hotel to give him a massage .”

Two days later, after a barrage of criticism, Corden apologised. He is one of many comedians who have attempted to engage with a contentious topic only to have the move wildly backfire. It requires huge skill to take on a taboo topic and even then it’s still a minefield. Lenny Bruce was arrested many times for violating indecency laws, for saying things like” jack me off” and “motherfucker”. He was eventually convicted in 1964. One routine, which suggested that humen will policeman off with anything, included the phrase” run come in a chicken “. In 2003, he received a posthumous pardon.

So how do comedians approach taboo? Is there such a thing as too soon? Margaret Cho is addressing the Weinstein scandal in her latest demonstrate: so what does she think went wrong for Corden?” As a general rule ,” says the San Francisco-born comic,” if you haven’t suffered sexual abuse, “youre supposed to” shouldn’t talk about it .” An abuse survivor herself, Cho says:” My compassion about the issue is built in because I am also the issue. It’s about compassion and experience, rather than talking as an foreigner, like James Corden .”

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Lenny Bruce is searched at a police station after his 1961 arrest for using obscene language on stage. Photo: Everett Collection/ Rex Features

There are always exceptions, says Cho, but describing on personal experience is her way of detecting chuckles in subjects not inherently funny.” Where do we find a glimmer of hope within all this terrible stuff ?” she asks.” That’s where comedy comes in .”

Cho’s audience is largely familiar with her material, the topics she takes on and words she uses. But there are still punters who take offence.” It happens all the time ,” says Cho.” I have had people get into full-on brawls, but that reaction’s sort of over. Back then, I didn’t have enough skill to be able to open up a can of worms and then wrangle all of those worms. Now I have a multilayered approach. You have a lot of power as a comedian. Words have an extreme quantity of power .”

It’s a point that Doug Stanhope understands well. The US comic is widely regarded as fearless and viciously honest. He’s written material about abortion, child abuse, racism and rape, but always in a way that may wish to challenge easy hypothesis.” I gravitate towards subjects that are controversial because that’s what’s interesting to me ,” he says.” I have no take over the Kardashians. I don’t watch it, it doesn’t affect my life .”

Stanhope says he works material like a defense lawyer.” I try to find the slant where you go:’ Oh, jeez, that does present reasonable doubt.’ It’s just a matter of finding the right client. When you have an angle on something that nobody else is touching on, that no one seems to see but is very obvious to you- well, do I like being original? Yes .”

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An outsider … James Corden received a bombardment of criticism. Photo: Evan Agostini/ AP

Stanhope examines sexual abuse on stage.” I have some rape stuff ,” he says.” It has to be finely phrased. My fear is it coming out wrong. It can come across as “re making fun” of rape victims wholly if it’s not worded correctly .”

The 50 -year-old started performing in his 20 s.” Things evolve ,” he says.” There’s stuff I have on albums that I likely wouldn’t do again, or I would rephrase. I don’t say’ faggot’ any more, even though I’ve defended the use of it before. But at some point you’re just going to be that old grandpa racist running:’ Well, that’s just the route we talked when I grew up .'”

Countries can differ on what they regard as taboo- and divisions can exist even in the same country. When David Cross, the standup and superstar of Arrested Development, brought his Making America Great Again ! present to the UK last year, his thoughts on gun control and Donald Trump weren’t considered divisive. But when Cross toured America’s south, it was a different story.” I felt the tension more than I ever have ,” says the comedian.” People didn’t want to hear it. To them, people being shot dead should not be a subject for comedy- there’s nothing funny about that. And I disagree .”

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Works his material like a defence lawyer … Doug Stanhope in his tour minibus in 2012. Photo: Christopher Thomond

Cross built wider points about police barbarism and gun-control statutes, but some punters voted with their feet. Does he regret that?” I’m so used to this by now ,” he says.” If a handful of people walk out because they don’t like the subject or the way I’m approaching it, I can’t help that , nor do I want to. Perhaps this is just a mixture of cynicism and experience, but I don’t think they are going to come around .”

Cross says a number of factors float through his brain when he is dealing with a contentious issue: aiming to make a point, get the biggest laugh possible, and challenge himself is putting forward something funny. But there are words that offend , no matter what. Unusually for a white comic, Cross says the N-word in his latest Netflix special.” Which word ?” he says, when I ask him about it.” Neighbourly? Nefarious? I’ve never called anybody a nincompoop !”

Joking aside, Cross says he has been challenged for it many times.” I’ve gotten so much shit. If I’m immediately quoting someone, or putting the words into a character’s mouth, that’s how they speak. It’s just silly. I’m not a child, and the people I’m talking to aren’t children .”

When the Australian comic Jim Jefferies first performed in the US a decade ago, saying ” cunt” was considered controversial. Having come from the Aussie circuit, and worked in the UK, he was used to throwing the word around.” In America, there were comedy clubs that would say:’ One regulation- don’t say that term, people detest that .'”

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‘ I’ve said stupid things, but I’ve always felt like I’ve done it in character’ … Jim Jefferies. Photograph: Ethan Miller/ Getty Images

Jefferies’s jokes often have shocking punchlines. He has a axiom:” If it’s really, genuinely offensive it has to be really, really funny .” If there’s laughter, he says, anyone who is upset has no case because it’s obviously been taken as a joke- the audience laughed, after all.” There are some things you believe in, and some things that you believe are funny- and they are two vastly different things. But it happens organically. I’ve never thought:’ I’ll challenge myself and try to write a joke about- I don’t know- the Dalai Lama .'”

The comic recently put forward his take on the Weinstein allegations :” You don’t go to rehab for sexual assault. You go to prison .” An online clip from his display scored a million views in 24 hours. But towards the end of the segment, Jefferies reflected on some of his own material.” Now, I’ve been known to stimulate the occasional inappropriate or sexist joke ,” he says.” But I’ve always believed my audience understood that those jokes don’t represent my actual notion. Then came the working day that a large part of America was willing to write off’ pussy-grabbing’ as locker-room talk, and I started to rethink that .”

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Didn’t realise she was tackling taboos … Fern Brady. Photograph: Murdo Macleod for the Guardian

Has he re-evaluated his position as a standup?” I’ve said stupid things, but I’ve always felt like I’ve done it in character. I’ve done a lot of rape jokes, jokes about domestic abuse- and those are the jokes I likely regret. I’ll defend them as they are funny, and the structure of the joke was good and everyone giggled. The only thing I regret is I don’t know if everyone took it as a joke. I’m still going to be doing jokes about both women and how relationships have ended in my life. I don’t want to become a wimp and become less edgy, but also I’m a different guy to when I was 25.”

There are comics who have gained a “controversial” reputation nearly by collision. Take Fern Brady. The Scottish comic’s latest present deals with murderous believes, abortion laws and the time her ex-boyfriend tried to kill her. But she says:” I detest shocking people. I never want people to feel bad during my reveal. I tried, this year. I guessed:’ I actually want to do normal material about my home life .’ And then I wrote stuff about thinking about killing my boyfriend in his sleep, so you can’t really get away from who you are .”

Brady says that it was only after reviewers started to describe her as “dark” and “caustic” that she realised she was tackling taboos.” People would say:’ You’re so honest .’ I simply guessed:’ Why is everyone else lie, then ?'” Her abortion jokes have received bad reactions, but they are motivated by indignation.” I find it infuriating that Ireland and Northern Ireland still don’t have legal abortion. And it’s perpetuated largely out of shame and disgrace .” She doesn’t want to offend, just to nation her faith that the laws are outdated and discriminatory.

” I truly want to get those jokes to work- so everyone goes:’ That’s a very reasonable point.’ I’ve not done it yet. Halfway through the Edinburgh fringe I stopped saying,’ I garmented as a foetus ‘, and changed it to’ unborn baby’ and the joke started working better. I would have guessed’ unborn baby’ was more emotive than’ foetus’ but apparently not .”

With Corden’s gags, many thought the timing was particularly insensitive. So does “too soon” really exist?” Perfectly not ,” is the answer I get from most comics.” The’ too soon’ regulation doesn’t apply to comedians ,” says Stanhope.” When a mass shooting happens, or a hurricane is destroying Texas or Puerto Rico, the majority of comics are staring at their Twitter accounts, daring themselves .”

* Margaret Cho’s Fresh Off The Bloat tour reaches Britain on 25 November. Doug Stanhope’s book, Digging Up Mother: A Love Story , is out now. David Cross’s Netflix special, Making America Great Again !, is streaming now. Jim Jefferies’s Unusual Punishment tour reaches Britain in January. Fern Brady’s Suffer, Fools! tour starts on 9 November.

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